Bye Bye Craigslist :-(

It’s with a heavy heart that I must announce that PadMapper is no longer including Craigslist rental listings – they’re currently being wiped from the search index. I recently received a Cease and Desist letter from Craigslist, and wasn’t able to get a meeting or convince Craigslist’s lawyer that PadMapper was beneficial to Craigslist and apartment hunters in general. They allow mobile apps to display their listings if you buy a license from them, but not websites.

If you or any of your friends that PadMapper has helped would like to weigh in and tell them how PadMapper has helped you search through Craigslist, you can contact them at:

jim@craigslist.org – Jim Buckmaster, CEO
craig@craigslist.org – Craig Newmark, Founder

If you do contact them, please, please keep it civil. Perhaps if they see how many people PadMapper has helped, they’ll be willing to consider changing their minds.

PadMapper still has a lot of other sources, I’ll be adding more, and I’ll keep mapping pads, but it’s a sad day for pad mapping and apartment hunting. Craigslist is a really important source of apartment listings, and I hope we can get it back someday.

Thanks everyone,
Eric ☮

UPDATE: Many of you have asked me how you can post to PadMapper now that Craigslist is gone. I just posted about PadLister, a completely free way to post directly to PadMapper. I still want to get Craigslist back on there, but in the meantime, it’d be great if you guys could encourage any landlords you know to post their vacancies on PadLister as well (they should, of course, continue to post on Craigslist). Alternately, you can post to Oodle, RentalHomesPlus, Rent.com, ApartmentFinder, or one of the more local sources PadMapper picks up. Of these, Oodle is also free.

UPDATE 2:
If your area is looking empty without CList, you may want to enable Rent.com’s listings to show up. Look under “Show More Filters” and check that on if it’s not.

UPDATE 3:
I’m bringing Craigslist listings back! Here’s the blog post.

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402 Comments

  1. mon-mon
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    no thank you. this tool was so helpful to a clueless new resident.
    email sent. i hope they can work something out…..

  2. Ryan
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    I actually tried to use Padmapper to find a new apartment in Manhattan but it was a useless effort and Craigslist ads were actually the worst. It’s annoying because you reply to ads that you see on the map in a location/price you want only to be told that those didn’t actually exist. It’s not too much different than brokers leaving listings of OLD apartments on their sites just to get you to call them so they can tell you that they have no control over their own website. Oddly enough, HotPad had a lot of different apartment listings.

    Why you don’t try to use backpage real estate ads (since they have to pay to post those, iirc) is beyond me.

    Anyways, I really liked Padmapper and have told a few people to use it (no one has found a place thru it yet) and hopefully it works out when I look for a place next spring.

  3. damm
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    You actually gained a user by removing Craigslist.

    Thanks.

  4. Fred
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    I found an apartment on Padmapper a couple of months ago, and it was a Craigslist listing that showed up on Padmapper.

    I wrote a civil email to Jim and Craig.

  5. Mitch
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    This is what can happen when you hire your CEO based on an engineering resume posted on Craigslist. You might end up with a completely irrational, hypocritical product and business strategy based on bizarre principals.

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/08/06/100141309/index.htm

    If CL maintains this stance, we can only hope they will slowly be witled at until the critical mass has shifted away.

    Craig’s altruism is admirable, but frankly he is not – as he claims states – responsive to user needs and requests.

  6. Mitch
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Will you purchase a mobile license to keep that running?

  7. Brian Long
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    The CL TOU has an exception for “general purpose Internet search engines”. Did they reference any specific violations of the TOU?

  8. Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    So how does HousingMaps.com get away with it? Because it doesn’t have a business model? email sent to craig and jim.

  9. Kyle
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Really sorry to hear this news. You’ve really built a fantastic tool here, and I’ll definitely keep checking it, Craigslist or no . I’ve already e-mailed Craig and Jim – I doubly encourage everyone who loves this site to do so as well.

  10. Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    That’s too bad. I’ve done my small part and sent an email to Jim and Craig. Until craigslist changes their mind on this one, I will not be using craigslist. Having other websites use their data is to craigslist benefit. Boggles the mind.

  11. Enilamoht
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Successful Craigslist rental deals will be going down down down now.

  12. Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Ditto with mon-mon. Email sent. Thanks for all your hard and awesome work Eric.

  13. David
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    fuck craigslist.. foolish.. dumbasses.. hope they die…

    wait you said to keep it civil… I hope they succeed at dying a slow death.

  14. Bill Jackson
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Why would Craigslist stick a knife in itself?
    Acts like this and others similar are why Craigslist is in decline.

  15. Jeff
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    ZOMG WHAT?????

    Sending e-mail NOW.

  16. Rob Crowell
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    nooooooo

  17. hackernews sucks
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    I cannot believe the stupidity in the comments at hacker news saying PM got what it deserved. I support PM all the way, it’s been critical to finding places, CL’s interface is retarded. I’m going to start contacting listing holders and ask them to move to another service. CL’s interface is 100% busted when it comes to searching for housing.

  18. Kayla
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    OH NO! WHAT WILL I DO!? You need Craigslist! WE need it. They provide a bulk of the postings, especially for people who want to rent directly from an owner without dealing with a 3rd party *cough* ridiculous broker fees *cough cough*. Posters recognize the Craiglist name, and it’s their go-to site when advertising their apartments.

    Well, I’m sure you know all that, and I am still deeply in love with PadMapper. If you guys break up with Craigslist, I will choose you. I’ve been apartment hunting for 3 months now, and I remember the day I met you. How could I forget? I was so excited about all the features. I told everyone I knew about you. I even told strangers on Reddit. I loved everything about PadMapper, from my PadMapper profile to the new option that shows nearby groceries, gyms, etc. I was sad to see the % above/below neighborhood average go, but I still supported you. PadMapper really takes all my frustrations and anxieties out of apartment hunting in a big city that I am 2,500 miles away from.

    I sent Eric and Jim emails singing your praises and claiming that I will continue to use PadMapper over Craigslist, but you should really get back together. You two were a beautiful couple and you integrated their listings and presented them in a way that was so accessible it seemed sinful. I hope you two can work it out.

    I’m going to go have a drink to take the edge off. I’m quite upset.

    • Seth
      Posted June 22, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

      Very well said.

  19. Carrie
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Sooo bummed. Also sent them an email (a nice one). Boo.

  20. Posted June 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Emailed! I hope they reconsider.

  21. Arthaey
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I’ve written an email to them in support. Good luck!

  22. Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Ouch. Padmapper is an extremely useful tool and it sucks to see it lose Craigslist. Especially useful if you wanted to look in a particular neighborhood.

    I hope a bit of press urges them to change their minds. Voted up on HackerNews and Reddit.

  23. coco
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    So sad! This is my #1 tool for looking for a place to rent. Without it my search will take 10 times more painful!!

  24. n_botwin
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Emailed Craig lol. My roommates and I are looking for a 4-6br in certain neighborhoods which is very difficult and time consuming to do on craigslist. Padmapper makes it easy. Bad call on their part.

  25. Jesse
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    I have sent an email as well. This site is great tool for rental hunters and rental owners/managers.

  26. Juno GIANT
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    c**nts!!

  27. Liz Butler
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Copy of the letter I sent to the guys at CL:

    Hi guys,

    I’m a longtime user of Craigslist (since 2003) and I’m writing to tell you how gravely disappointed and upset I am at your recent decision to issue a cease-and-desist order to Padmapper. Disallowing Padmapper to continue to provide a service that has saved me literally hundreds of hours house-hunting (and that’s just one person and two moves) is a terrible business move.

    Over the years I have found it EXTREMELY frustrating that Craigslist does not break down the Austin, TX housing market by neighborhood (as they apparently do in the SF Bay area, I recently learned) and as a direct result of this lack of specificity and a true “max rent” search feature, CL users are bombarded with unwanted listings each time they search- spam, unrelated services, realtors, apartment hunters, big-box condos and complexes, and dozens of other categories of irrelevant garbage that takes hours and hours of dedicated searching to navigate. Enter Padmapper. This brilliant, free service took public information (your listings and others) and made an easy to navigate and easy to use search feature out of what was heretofore almost certainly one of Dante’s inner circles of hell.

    I am currently preparing to move across the country and I am flirting with despair considering that I will be forced to spend dozens or hundreds of hours mapping CL listings myself in a city with which I am not very familiar. Please allow Padmapper to continue being an AMAZING, USEFUL, BRILLIANT and SANITY-SAVING supplement to Craigslist. It only helps your site. I predict based on the fact that this news broke less than an hour ago and it’s already crashing the Padmapper server that you’re about to have a LOT of VERY upset people on your hands. Please reconsider!

    Sincerely,
    Liz Butler

  28. Dave
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Padmapper is a really good app but unfortunately craigslist does get a lot of spam especially when it comes to apartment hunting. Most places listed on craigslist don’t offer pictures or phone numbers and when you try to contact them via email you never receive a response. I’m glad in a way that its not going to be listed. Craigslist really needs to deal with the amount of false postings they have listed everyday.

  29. Erica
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I am SO sad!! I’ve found my last two homes this way and am on the search again! As if searching for a new home isn’t hard enough. Email sent! Good luck to you (and to those of us who need homes and are now down a resource)!

  30. Lolo
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I heart padmapper.com! I am very sad as Padmapper was an essential tool in relocating to a new city. I will continue to use it but know that Craigslist was a major loss. Civil e-mail sent. :-) Thanks for all your help!

  31. Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I never email on things like this.

    But this time I did.

    PadMapper helped us find our current place in NYC which was hard enough as it was. Without PadMapper I can’t imagine. Good luck!

  32. Jessica
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m sad to hear about this. PadMapper definitely helped locate homes available for rent, linking us to view ads listed on Craigslist. Sad to hear Craiglist decided to do this.

  33. Aaron
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    sending email right now

  34. Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Bummer! The only decent way to sort through craigslist ads. Email sent.

  35. Null
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I used padmapper about 6 months ago and its a godsend! i can’t believe craiglist is doing this.. its a freeservice anyways! what do they care???? anybody say STupiDDDD???

  36. Albert
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    That’s why I see less apartments in my search hmm.. this was such a good tool, I was ending up on craigslist via padmapper anyways so it’s not like they were losing traffic if anything gaining more.

  37. Erich
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    This sucks. How am I supposed to find my next place? I would have not even visited or browsed so many Craigslist ads had I not been to your site.

    I emailed ‘em. G’luck!

  38. Posted June 22, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    PadMapper, thanks for tying in Craigslist with PadMapper. It’s unfortunate that they ordered a seize and desist, but honestly I found the map to be a very good way to search through listings. Keep going forward in-house! You guys can do it.

  39. George Sibble
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m fairly sure contacting them won’t help. My guess is they’re just going to build their own version and don’t want the competition. Sorry dude. Loved Padmapper.

  40. Adam S
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Very disappointing. I have used Padmapper in conjunction is Craigslist for years and the pair make an indispensible tool for housing searches. I hope many people contact Craigslist to voice their support for Padmapper and urge them to reverse their decision. Padmapper adds value to Craigslist, plain and simple.

  41. Jedediah
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    The other way to help is to stop listing things exclusively on Craigslist, hopefully dissolving their undeserved monopoly.

  42. oh no
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    What a bummer!
    I really loved looking for apartments on Padmapper, and the majority of them were pulled from Craigslist! It’s so helpful to see the location of the apartments right away instead of googling every single address… So disappointing… In fact, I’m apartment hunting as we speak, such a shame I won’t see Craigslist listings on Padmapper any more.

    Thank you for this great site. Hopefully, Craigslist allow you to stream their ads on Padmapper.

  43. Markus
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Email sent:

    ###

    Dear Jim,
    Dear Craig,

    Unfortunately I had to read that Craigslist asked Padmapper to stop using CL listings on Padmapper. While I am sure that you had your reasons, I would like to kindly ask you to reconsider. Padmapper offers a functionality that is currently not implemented in CL.

    For me, and probably for almost everyone else, one of the most important parts when finding a place to live is where it is. I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to look on a map than try to filter posts by the position given in their headline. This is especially important if you are not familiar with the area and do not know the location of the streets mentioned.

    Could you please get in touch with Eric from Padmapper and try to find a solution that works for both sides?

    Thank you!
    Markus

  44. Zach
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Hi Jim,

    My email: I saw that Craigslist sent a cease and desist to PadMapper. I found this very distressing because I just got off of a huge 3 month apartment search, and my biggest tool was PadMapper. PadMapper takes Craigslist’s great content, and packages it into a very intuitive, easy to use interface. Simply put, I wouldn’t really use Craigslist to find a place to rent as much as I’d use PadMapper. By issuing them a cease & desist, you guys will basically be shutting them down. See, if Craigslist isn’t willing to invest time into things that we consumers actually care about such as aesthetics and user interface design, disallowing 3rd party sites to access your content is a big hindrance on the community.

  45. Sandeep
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Hey Eric,
    not so good news.
    Emailed them.
    Hopefully things will get sorted out.

    SSS

  46. Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    So sorry to hear about this. I use this website constantly and it’s made my search so much harder by not having Craigslist anymore. I wrote a civil e-mail to Jim and Craig. I hope they change their minds soon. Best of luck to everyone.

  47. I'm the Bitch CEO
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Craig’s List just sucks. Period. Perverts, pedophiles, scammers, stalkers, rapists and killers abound and Craig’s List executives & staff don’t give a damn who gets hurt. They make no moves to institute even a rudimentary vetting process to help weed some of this shit out.

    Phone verification is worthless and inaccurate. Keeps out more legitimate traffic than illegitimate, I’ll bet. I had to seriously work around their PV to get my own stuff out on the list. I’m not a spammer, nor any of the above mentioned things, just an average Jane looking to buy/sell/trade stuff with my fellow Craig’s Listers in my local area, as the list was intended to do.

    By doing something like this and disallowing aggregator sites from pulling their content, they are proving that their priorities are all in the wrong place and that they only give a shit about their bottom line. They lack openness in the correct places. In short, the attitude is everything one could reasonably expect from a company who is partially owned by e(vil)Bay.

    Fuck you, Craig’s List. Just. Fuck. You.

    I can’t wait to see you fall someday. Sooner rather than later.

  48. Ryan
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Email sent. That is really sad news. Your site addresses a serious flaw in their listing service, and I honestly look at more craigslist listings now than I ever have because of your site. Good luck!

  49. Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Email sent.

    I love PadMapper and it was essential for me when I moved to San Francisco. I couldn’t have navigated the chaos of Craiglist listings without it.

    @dshaw

  50. Ray
    Posted June 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Sent. I found a sublet in a great neighborhood in Manhattan for 725 thanks to this integration. Now my sublease is over and this happens… smh.

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