Bye Bye Craigslist :-(

It’s with a heavy heart that I must announce that PadMapper is no longer including Craigslist rental listings – they’re currently being wiped from the search index. I recently received a Cease and Desist letter from Craigslist, and wasn’t able to get a meeting or convince Craigslist’s lawyer that PadMapper was beneficial to Craigslist and apartment hunters in general. They allow mobile apps to display their listings if you buy a license from them, but not websites.

If you or any of your friends that PadMapper has helped would like to weigh in and tell them how PadMapper has helped you search through Craigslist, you can contact them at:

jim@craigslist.org – Jim Buckmaster, CEO
craig@craigslist.org – Craig Newmark, Founder

If you do contact them, please, please keep it civil. Perhaps if they see how many people PadMapper has helped, they’ll be willing to consider changing their minds.

PadMapper still has a lot of other sources, I’ll be adding more, and I’ll keep mapping pads, but it’s a sad day for pad mapping and apartment hunting. Craigslist is a really important source of apartment listings, and I hope we can get it back someday.

Thanks everyone,
Eric ☮

UPDATE: Many of you have asked me how you can post to PadMapper now that Craigslist is gone. I just posted about PadLister, a completely free way to post directly to PadMapper. I still want to get Craigslist back on there, but in the meantime, it’d be great if you guys could encourage any landlords you know to post their vacancies on PadLister as well (they should, of course, continue to post on Craigslist). Alternately, you can post to Oodle, RentalHomesPlus, Rent.com, ApartmentFinder, or one of the more local sources PadMapper picks up. Of these, Oodle is also free.

UPDATE 2:
If your area is looking empty without CList, you may want to enable Rent.com’s listings to show up. Look under “Show More Filters” and check that on if it’s not.

UPDATE 3:
I’m bringing Craigslist listings back! Here’s the blog post.

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  1. theresa bierek
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Preposterous! This is has made life SO much more convenient and easy, please re-consider!

    • Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:13 am | Permalink

      Email written.

      Closing statement:
      “If the motivation is financial, please release the listings to Padmapper to list for a small fee. If the motivation of your site is to truly connect people in need with people offering goods, then please allow Padmapper to assist in your purpose.”

      Sooooo disappointed and frustrated about this!!

  2. Thomas Gaskin
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Craigslist recently hired an interaction designer to make the site more usable.
    I suspect they will be rolling out a PadMapper like search in the near future.
    I found Padmapper a few months ago and it is currently the best apartment search tool out there.
    Very disappointed. :(

  3. RalphJ
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    No wonder why some of my listings disappeared. I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for confirming I’m not.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it Eric. You are on to something for sure my friend. Something very user friendly and useful to everyone. Very useful. I stumbled upon your website/iphone app by accident while actually driving around LA looking for ideal areas. I came across an actual place and was checking online to see if they had any listings. Thats when I discovered greatness. I downloaded the padmapper app imeddiately and has led me to some nice spots. Ive tried CL before and their format isnt ideal. Padmapper on the other hand is dead on and serves it’s purpose. If anything CL would benefit from Padmapper. It’s not like no one doesn’t know who CL is anyway.

    Like one user “Cole” mentioned, I would gladly pay $5 a month for the service Padmapper offers. Your format makes sense compared to CL in regards to real estate browsing. And another user “Jack” in mentioning that yes more $$ should be put into advertising. Who needs CL when it comes to real estate browsing? I mean seriously, we’re here posting for a reason. It sells itself. You have a great product! CL is obviously threatened, as they should be. Someone came along and made sense in an area they lacked.

    Keep up the great work my friend and CL if you’re wise you’ll give our good buddy Eric a call to work things out.

    Cheers

  4. rp
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Ahhh. I feel the same way as many of you. I am “under the gun” as far as quick apt finding as I am relocating FAST. I am so disappointed with Craigslist.
    :(

  5. Jason
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I sent them a letter as well. Can’t believe they would do that.

  6. Marcia
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    I am sending emails. I absolutely echo all of the previous comments. As I clicked on Craigslist to continue my search for an apartment, and was frustrated by it, I decided that my search for an apartment would not be on craigslist. It would be on padmapper. On principle.

  7. Sarah
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    This is horrible!

    Kind email sent. However, I just want to say that Craig was the commencement speaker at my graduation ceremony and he was a blathering idiot. I am not surprised that he continues on with idiot policies. Ugh.

  8. Layne
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    I am so grateful to the Padmapper – and I wrote to tell Craiglist! I cannot even fathom having to go back to the plain text searching, esp. when the listings have unfortunately become rife with scams. I’ve used padmapper in finding my current place – which I really abhor, so I’ve been using it ever since.

    I would PAY for Padmapper – probably $30/mos. That’s how much more efficient it is.

    It’s like, as revolutionary as Craiglist once was – and to Craiglist, I am indebted…for apartments, the roommates in those apartments, the furniture in those apartments, the catsitter that comes to the apartment to watch the cat…the list goes on!

  9. Gabriel
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Just emailed Craigslist. If they don’t listen to us, they’re stupid.

  10. michael
    Posted June 25, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Maybe u should go and look for venture capital. this way u would have some budget to start marketing and improve ur design and service. ur half way there, even better than hotpads or trulia who got millions as vc. would be a shame to loose everything now…

  11. Carmen L
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    This is really lame! I am currently on the road to my new work location and was about to start using PadMapper..now I will have to waste time going through the CL listings. Ughhh!

    I sent an email, and kept it cool. This is so frustrating.

  12. Verity Peets
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    I’m shocked! This is a terrible decision by CL. Padmapper has helped me sort through the confusing and disorganised CL. Bad move CL, that’s all I can say.

  13. pat
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    So sad! We just used Padmapper to help find apartments for two of my daughters going to colleges in another state. It was so helpful!! I sent my emails to Craigslist, hopefully it will help.

  14. Demitra
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Totally cretinous decision in CL’s part. As much as CL has helped me find just about everything, making it’s listings unavailable to Padmapper is such a bad move. For them AND all CL users. I’m betting CL even gets a ton of traffic from Padmapper. Definitely not doing anything to help anyone. Argh simply frustrated with this nonsense—I truly hope CL reflects on this and goes back to allowing posts on Padmapper to be viewed.

  15. J Gallaty
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    I wrote a letter to both parties pleading with them to allow craigslist ads to be listed on padmapper also. Your site has been and incredibly invaluable tool for me here in Austin where trying to find an apartment during the summer influx / out-flux of college students is a nightmare and the agent spam is unbelievable on craigslist. Just in the narrow price range / bedroom search I do, I can easily pull up 15+ pages of listings PER DAY on craiglist and most of its agent garbage. They copy/paste other listings repeatedly over and over all day long and most of its completely useless. I have actually broken down and called a few, only to be told the place isn’t available (probably never was) and they then want to spam me with tons of listings for stuff I don’t want or is way out of my price range. It’s NOT helpful!

    Padmapper enabled me to sift through all those spam listings by only showing those listings for specific addresses and leaving out all of the vague agent posts that did not show a rental price, a location or anything else useful for your search.

    I’m so sad you are no longer able to show craigslist postings. I know they probably won’t read or reply to my letter but I went ahead and sent one pleading anyways, it makes me feel better.

    Now I have to figure out another way to find an apartment since it seems so many managers and homeowners rely only on craigslist. I sure wish there were better sources. I try zillow and hotpads too etc… but none were as useful (or listed craigslist) like padmapper did! Keep up the good work guys. I have referred friends to using padmapper a lot.

    - J. Gallaty
    Austin, TX

  16. Posted June 26, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    This is really sad: I work for an apartment community and I’ve been recommending padmapper to every single email lead who was looking for apartments soon. It was one of the few sites out there that let people know what is available now rather than showing every apartment in town.

    Sent an email to the CEO. I guess in the meantime I’ll have to revise my email.

  17. Alden
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    I rent many homes in Denver and this just cost me considerable man hours. Prior to padmapper the only way to gauge what was renting for how much and where was to watch rent signs come in and out of the ground.

    This is a terrible terrible day indeed. I sincerely hope that craigslist is updating their layout to include a maps feature. What a sad shame.

  18. Fredy
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Bah-Humbug! to CraigsList. Scraping is one thing, providing a real useful service is another. Get with it CraigsList.

    Thanks Eric. Great effort. Let’s hope they smell the coffee.

  19. Posted June 26, 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Craigslist is a pain in the butt. They never sent me a Cease and Desist letter (yet), but they have “green ghosted” many of my postings as they change their posting restrictions more often than Kim Kardashian changes her bfs.

  20. Natasha
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I sent a letter in support of PadMapper. Hang in there. This is a Great service you provide and I hope that Craigslist will reconsider.

  21. Chue Vue
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Dear Jim and Craig,

    I am thoroughly pissed off about the cease and desist with the craigslist list postings on padmapper. It has made my apartment search in another state quite a ‘bitch.’ Going through craigslist and filtering through all the ‘crap’ that the same apartment complex posts over and over again is the biggest pain in my ‘ass.’ I hope you think hard about the decisions that have been made.

    Hugs and kisses

  22. Posted June 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    I find it really sad that Craigslist will not allow Padmapper to use their ads. This bothers me because the app is extremely helpful. Please reconsider, I am sure a lot of people will stop using the padmapper app now.

    • Aaron
      Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:36 am | Permalink

      Rather, I’m going to stop using CL now.

  23. MaliLaw
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Craigslist has the listings bud PadMapper gives logistical coordinates to apartment hunters…its a great tool especially for individuals (like me) looking to relocate in new areas. Some are good some were not pleasant to the eye. Nonetheless, if it were not for PadMapper condensing the listings in a central location…I’d be clicking back and forth.

    I hope you all will be will to work together in the future of ya developments.

    In the meantime Thank you PadMapper and Craigslist…

    Still looking,
    MaliLaw

  24. N
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Just sent an email to both of them. Soooo dissapointed by this decision and hopefully it can be resolved soon. Your site is so convenient and I wont go to Craigslist without PadMapper.

  25. Posted June 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    If craigslist was going to create a map overlay, it would at the very least have been polite for them to wait until theirs was ready before pulling the plug on padmapper. This has already cost me a lot of time in my apartment search. Which brings me to my question: is there a way I can post listings for apartments I find on craigslist and that I want to keep track of? I know I could put the address as one of “my places”, but I’d like to have a link associated with the pin to the craigslist listing. I would even be willing to go to some effort to put enough information to make the listings useful to other people. If I understand correctly, this would not violate craigslist’s policy, right? In other words, is there a way you could crowdsource the listings to the apartment hunters in addition to the owners?

  26. Doug H.
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Hi Eric,

    I also just sent an email to Craig’s List. Let’s hope there is a positive outcome. Thank you for this site! It is helping me tremendously in my search for a new apartment in San Diego.

    Doug H.

  27. AliceM
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    I hope you can come to some arrangement. There has been zero new properties added this week on padmapper for my preferred area.

  28. Cody
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    This is sooo disappointing. I love Padmapper! I recommend it to everyone I know. I used to love Craigslist too but this leaves me disappointed. I won’t be wasting my time drudging through CL’s endless misleading and inaccurate housing listings posted by “big box” locators that flood the pages. I really need to find a place to live right now too.

    I really hope that they can come to an agreement and get Padmapper back on line. I wrote letters to both.

    Padmapper is by far the best service out there!…By far!!

  29. Cynthia
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    I just wanted to give you another perspective on how padmappers helps military families. Alot of the time we get restationed and have no idea about the area just know where the base is. Craiglist is amazing but you still dont know where the apartment is how the area if its safe for families. Pad mappers has made it possible to figure out the exact location and the commute it will be. Having to move every few months becomes impossibly hard to make the right decisions while filitering through a list of apartment listings and you have no idea where it is and getting restationed you have no time to check. Please re concider I have told numerous people about padmappers and the equally depend on it.

  30. Prophet
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    I emailed both of these guys. I cannot fathom why they would pull craigslist from padmapper. It only helps them by getting more people to use craigslist. But now I will not be using them but unfortunately it also cripples the ability of padmapper. Poor form craigslist…poor form.

  31. _X_
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Fucking Craigslist jerkoffs. Final nail in the coffin, will not recommend or use them any more.

  32. t
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    I posted the letter I wrote to CL here the other day, but just came back to say that i am literally in TEARS right now trying to wade through Craigslist— we’re looking for an apt in a very specific and small radius that overlaps four different neighborhoods, and can be anything from a studio to a three-bedroom. Craigslist simply does not have the capability to help me conduct this search in a streamlined way! Oh well, back to pasting addresses into googlemaps… sigh… hope they come to their senses soon, AND that landlords will get the hint and put their listings directly onto Padmapper!

  33. Dora
    Posted June 26, 2012 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Just sent both of them the following email:

    Hello,
    I was extremely disappointed to find out today that craigslist delivered a cease and desist letter to padmapper.com. I am writing to ask you to please, please, please reconsider this action and allow padmapper to pull information from craigslist postings.
    Padmapper is a fabulous tool that has served me well in the past – it puts the information provided by craigslist into the perfect search format, and makes craigslist apartment searching much, much more user friendly. I was able to find an apartment listed on craigslist for my boyfriend in short order by searching through padmapper, which would not have been nearly as easy if I had had to hunt through the postings on craigslist.
    I absolutely love padmapper, and I think that a partnership between padmapper and craigslist would be extremely beneficial for all parties concerned – craigslist information would become much more accessible and user friendly.. I am requesting that you reconsider your cease and desist order, and instead consider working with padmapper to deliver a better apartment searching experience.
    Thank you.

  34. Melanie
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    I am so annoyed at Craigslist…obviously nobody there has had to look for an apartment recently, or else they would know how painful it is!!

    I just emailed them too. I’m sticking with PadMapper :)

  35. Allison N
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Searching on Craigslist is a complete disaster. PadMapper was the only way that any reasonable person could search through all of the disconnected resources available on CL. I am getting ready to move to Miami and thought that I was going to be able to find my place this way… guess again. Whether they know it or not, CL has just shot themselves in the foot. I am not wasting my time sorting through their terrible layout… it is easier to get a realtor.

  36. Posted June 27, 2012 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Wow, I am moving from NH to Los Angeles in less than a week. Craigslist just put a huge hurt on my ability to find a place there. Very sad. I love Craigslist and use them for everything, but I’ll consider quitting them cold turkey if they don’t fix this. Emails have been sent, respectfully of course. When will people learn that the web is about free information? I’ve boycotted Apple because of their litigious nature, is Craigslist next?

  37. Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Craigslist has gotten too big and too heavy handed.

    They allow disruptive people to flag everything and everyone with no consequences, they make decisions about accounts being banned with no notification, no (real) appeal.

    After they’ve decided they’re banning someone they will still waste people’s time and deceptively collect phone numbers from them with no intention of posting live ads for them.

    It’s about time someone sued Craigslist. They’re becoming like Ebay.

    When these companies get too big, they become arrogant and hateful and they displace little companies that would do a better job.

    Look at what it means to padmapper today. :(

  38. bob
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    You should opensource Padmapper with released API for Craigslist so that they can’t stop it.

  39. Dan Z
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    I would actually say that what you DON’T want is people emailing Craigslist about what a great service this is. I think you can protect your asset here.

    I have consulted with a retired lawyer friend of mine about this issue. Their cease and desist order is almost guaranteed to get thrown out on arrival based on the type of information that you are pulling from the site. Check the US Supreme Court decision Feist v. Rural.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural

    Have you consulted with council yourself? I think you should. Telling Craigslist what a great service this is will only put the pedal to the metal with them to yank your idea. I get the sense that this is not your typical way of dealing with things but you should at least be talking to somebody about this.

  40. pounds
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Don’t know if it will do any good but I just submitted the following suggestion to 60 Minutes:

    “Internet giant Craigslist recently issued a “Cease and Desist” order to PadMapper.com so that they would stop placing links to Craigslist rentals on a map-based query interface. To me this raises a question of Internet data ownership and use, and I thought that it might be an interesting story.”

  41. Jamal
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I actually think losing CL is an opportunity. You’ve got a great tool here; the only thing missing is awareness (I only found out by word of mouth). With a little marketing/advertising you can completely displace CL as the go-to source for apartment finding.

  42. Shauna
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    WHAT? The only reason we came across padmapper was because we wanted something that would map out where apartments were located. It was absolutely a LIFESAVER. I hate to say but I don’t really have a use for padmapper anymore, since craigslist ads were mainly what I wanted to see. I’ll send them an angry (but civil) email about it. Freaking absurd.

  43. Ramita
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    That is so sad! I hope they reconsider! I emailed them.

  44. anonymous
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Build a mobile (iphone, ipad, or android app) to get around the Craigslist listings problem. I hope you can resolve this issue soon! best of luck

  45. Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Please do not remove Padmapper’s ability to harvest information from CL.

  46. Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    I’ve sent a letter to both Jim and Craig, essentially echoing the sentiment that PadMapper’s great usability of CL apartment postings is sorely missed.

    Sincerely hope a great and workable understanding is reached!

  47. Al Caramba
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Baaad move for Craigslist! Padmapper and Craigslist was a perfect combination like nothing else out there in Cyberspace but each on it’s own sucks (sorry padmapper). It’s like Romeo and Juliet are getting a divorce… You would think the internet improves over time but sometimes things go back to the Stone age! Fred Flintstone just told me it’s no problem for him.

    • Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

      Oh I was sad to see this post. I had found that craigslist in conjunction with padmapper made housing search *almost* a delight (or as much of a delight as you can get from this time consuming activity). I fired off a nice email. I hope they reconsider their decision. Darn, right when I was looking for a place too! :(

      You still have a great site, Eric.

  48. Dan
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Better file that copyright license now. Just wait for the 1000 shittier copies of this website to come out in the coming months.

  49. Tim
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Wow…. yes, I’d certainly hate for Craigslist to get even MORE exposure for FREE. They must be bad at basic math. Lot of that going around lately.

  50. Chris
    Posted June 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    What’s most frustrating for me is that Padmapper seemed to be able to cut through 95% of the spam postings – which is what most of the postings are in my area. Back to taking FOREVER to find the “real” apartments vs. the scammers. Back to CL being annoying and mostly useless.

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